Tom, a key aspect that you've missed is the economic argument. if we take Petrol at £1.35 litre and a PHEV with say 45mpg (10 miles per litre) on petrol and say 3.4 m/kWh indicated on electricty (which is 3m/kWh of elecricity paid for when charging losses are included) The "break even" for EV driving to be cheaper than petrol is at 40ppkWh. Zapmap latest data says rapid/ultra rapid is on average 76ppkWh so almost twice as expensive as running on petrol. There is therefore no need to "ban" as there is no incentive for economically literate PHEV drives to use the (expensive) rapid chargers or indeed most public chargers, as they have the benefit of being able to run long distances at lower cost. My 11 yrs with an Ampera has show the sweet spot for EREV (PHEV) to be always charged at home and most journeys less than 50 miles round trip typical user with a few longer journey and no angst of charger price/avaiability or (as i did this week) getting stuck on a charger that wouldnt release the cable. For people with home charging the capable PHEV can be a very compelling option and doesn't encroach on the public estate needed for BEV.
Agree with your argument entirely, I just think there are a lot of people with cars who aren't always so intelligent. Or care so much about the cost, especially given that they do not need much in their batteries.
They way PHEVs and more specifically EREVs are evolving, the obvious answer is no we shouldn't. Consider for example the Zeekr 9X with its 70kWh battery, and 10-80% 11 minute charging time (267kW average), which is faster than most EVs. There are plenty of PHEVs that can charge faster than an eCorsa or Niro.
The problem is largely self solving. Owners of slow charging PHEVs just aren't going to be paying the same price as petrol to charge for ages at a motorway services just to get 30 miles. Even those who can go 200 miles probably won't charge en route unless it is at a cheap site like Ionity, and we should probably encourage that as it is better for the environment. I ignored Tesla because they don't support 800V cars and I doubt the DC to DC converter in a PHEV will deliver a decent speed.
Tom, there are alternatives to gullies. I came across Trojan Energy's offering which seems to allow users to benefit from their own domestic tariff, without needing to worry about being able to park right outside their house.
Thanks Lee. Yes, I am very familiar with their ingenious idea. Sadly, I don't think they were included in this particular scheme - very odd given they're in the guidance.
Tom, a key aspect that you've missed is the economic argument. if we take Petrol at £1.35 litre and a PHEV with say 45mpg (10 miles per litre) on petrol and say 3.4 m/kWh indicated on electricty (which is 3m/kWh of elecricity paid for when charging losses are included) The "break even" for EV driving to be cheaper than petrol is at 40ppkWh. Zapmap latest data says rapid/ultra rapid is on average 76ppkWh so almost twice as expensive as running on petrol. There is therefore no need to "ban" as there is no incentive for economically literate PHEV drives to use the (expensive) rapid chargers or indeed most public chargers, as they have the benefit of being able to run long distances at lower cost. My 11 yrs with an Ampera has show the sweet spot for EREV (PHEV) to be always charged at home and most journeys less than 50 miles round trip typical user with a few longer journey and no angst of charger price/avaiability or (as i did this week) getting stuck on a charger that wouldnt release the cable. For people with home charging the capable PHEV can be a very compelling option and doesn't encroach on the public estate needed for BEV.
Agree with your argument entirely, I just think there are a lot of people with cars who aren't always so intelligent. Or care so much about the cost, especially given that they do not need much in their batteries.
They way PHEVs and more specifically EREVs are evolving, the obvious answer is no we shouldn't. Consider for example the Zeekr 9X with its 70kWh battery, and 10-80% 11 minute charging time (267kW average), which is faster than most EVs. There are plenty of PHEVs that can charge faster than an eCorsa or Niro.
The problem is largely self solving. Owners of slow charging PHEVs just aren't going to be paying the same price as petrol to charge for ages at a motorway services just to get 30 miles. Even those who can go 200 miles probably won't charge en route unless it is at a cheap site like Ionity, and we should probably encourage that as it is better for the environment. I ignored Tesla because they don't support 800V cars and I doubt the DC to DC converter in a PHEV will deliver a decent speed.
Fair point, and interesting on Zeekr. As said in the comment to Andy below, I just think some PHEV owners may not really think or care.
Tom, there are alternatives to gullies. I came across Trojan Energy's offering which seems to allow users to benefit from their own domestic tariff, without needing to worry about being able to park right outside their house.
Thanks Lee. Yes, I am very familiar with their ingenious idea. Sadly, I don't think they were included in this particular scheme - very odd given they're in the guidance.