Hi Tom, a commando socket is only safe if you also install a PEN fault protection device and a dedicated circuit from the socket to the consumer unit, otherwise there is a danger of overheating. Once you factor in the cost of the installation work, and the cost of the portable charger from commando socket to car (which cost over £200), there is actually a marginal saving over getting a charger.
Really impressed with Lilian Greenwood's engagement with the industry. She was also at a round table last week - in person - to discuss electric vans. Very positive to have such direct access opportunities with a Minister.
Inner London terrace; I've been running an extension lead from the 13amp socket in the hall over the pavement now for over 5 years. No problem. Nissan supplied a charging lead with a standard 3 pin plug. The car doesn't do a lot of miles, I'm retired. I use a soft rubber black and yellow cover strip to prevent tripping, and place a big road cone at each end for an, "in your face" visible warning to deter any possible compo chasers. It's also only there when I'm at home.
Love the way you've invoked the Torremolinos effect there. Save money on doing some decarbonising activity and use it to fly to Spain... I've been going commando... well actually granny... for 4.5 years. Still waiting for more affordable/available V2G chargers.
I have to confess it wasn't me. I saw someone use it in a talk 25 years ago. But in a way it's just a specific presentation of a rebound effect or Kazzoom Brookes postulate or whatever. Yes I've got a driveway and I totally recognise the VAT inequality. In fact the inequality is a lot bigger than that. VAT's only the icing on the inequality cake of having to use public chargers 100% of the time, rather than 10% say.
So how do we fix that? I'm sure I remember back in the day when public charging was more like 35p/kWh inc 20% VAT? Is there anything like that nowadays? More like 65-85p/kWh for public vs minus 5p to +25p/kWh at home?
Hi Tom, a commando socket is only safe if you also install a PEN fault protection device and a dedicated circuit from the socket to the consumer unit, otherwise there is a danger of overheating. Once you factor in the cost of the installation work, and the cost of the portable charger from commando socket to car (which cost over £200), there is actually a marginal saving over getting a charger.
Really impressed with Lilian Greenwood's engagement with the industry. She was also at a round table last week - in person - to discuss electric vans. Very positive to have such direct access opportunities with a Minister.
Certainly been a step change in her activity
Inner London terrace; I've been running an extension lead from the 13amp socket in the hall over the pavement now for over 5 years. No problem. Nissan supplied a charging lead with a standard 3 pin plug. The car doesn't do a lot of miles, I'm retired. I use a soft rubber black and yellow cover strip to prevent tripping, and place a big road cone at each end for an, "in your face" visible warning to deter any possible compo chasers. It's also only there when I'm at home.
It's also the case with some businesses. We can plug a <£200 charger into one of the commando sockets at work and get 7kW.
A lot of the cost is the paperwork.
A proper charger is better as it will cope with earthing issues, but the installation cost is ridiculous.
Love the way you've invoked the Torremolinos effect there. Save money on doing some decarbonising activity and use it to fly to Spain... I've been going commando... well actually granny... for 4.5 years. Still waiting for more affordable/available V2G chargers.
That is some excellent phrase coinage there (Torremolinos Effect). Do you have a driveway/off-street parking?
I have to confess it wasn't me. I saw someone use it in a talk 25 years ago. But in a way it's just a specific presentation of a rebound effect or Kazzoom Brookes postulate or whatever. Yes I've got a driveway and I totally recognise the VAT inequality. In fact the inequality is a lot bigger than that. VAT's only the icing on the inequality cake of having to use public chargers 100% of the time, rather than 10% say.
So how do we fix that? I'm sure I remember back in the day when public charging was more like 35p/kWh inc 20% VAT? Is there anything like that nowadays? More like 65-85p/kWh for public vs minus 5p to +25p/kWh at home?